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How much education did you receive before the Holocaust?

Before the Holocaust, nine years. I started at the age of five and they advanced me. From the seventh grade on I could move into high school—we did not have junior high so those last two years were the equivalent of middle school here, or junior high here, but we called it high school. To go to high school I had to go to the nearest city Beregszász which was the provincial capital. Only a few people could go to Beregszász to high school because beyond elementary school it was expensive to go to high school. But my father felt very strongly that all of us should be educated. Later on this was no longer possible because when I was in high school we had to sit in the back seat and wear the yellow star.

My family had been excused from wearing the yellow star because my father was a hero in WWII [WWI]. He was highly decorated. He had six medals. Remember WWII [WWI] our area was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. I am sorry, correction, World War One and my father fought in the Austro-Hungarian army in WWI where he was decorated. At that time they fought on the side of the Germans. They lost the war! The Austro-Hungarian Empire crumbled and it affected us tremendously because we became a part of Hungary at that time. I stand corrected again, I'm sorry. We became a part of Hungary in 1938 when I was 8 years old. That is when we had to make decisions about which school to attend. As I mentioned the pressure was very great on my parents. None of us wanted to change to Hungarian schools but that's what my parents felt they should do in order to make our lives easier, this was the step we had to take.

In what other ways did that government change effect your life?

Greatly. The government, until I was 8 years old, was Czechoslovakia. Life in a free country for the Jews - for us as well as other Jews - was really good because we could strive and we could get ahead. We could do things with our lives. Education was encouraged and the government helped with the education of its citizens. But once we became Hungary not only was education very expensive, we had to qualify – we had to be among the top students to enter high school. We were sought out. We were no longer equal to the non-Jewish residents. We began to feel that in the schools and in our encounter with the non-Jewish population in our town.

We would play games in the schoolyard and we would not be included anymore. By separating us from the other students the others had the feeling that something was wrong with us. We were isolated and that we were not to be tolerated. The Jewish kids were bewildered by this. We didn't do anything wrong. As time went on this became worse and worse.

I learned in retrospect why, that is that the Nuremberg laws filtered down into Hungary and were used against us. There were all these new rules and new changes that took place that affected us. We thought at the time that the Hungarians had dreamt up all of these new rules. That's because we had blackouts. Radios were confiscated. We no longer had the news available to us that we had under Czechoslovakia.

One of the major ways my parents were affected by it was that we had to close our little store which is what created liquid cash for us. Once the store was closed we no longer had any income from the store. We children were still growing and we needed shoes, clothes and everything. In terms of foods we had no problems because we had animals on our farm. We had horses. We had cows. We had plenty of milk, cottage cheese and butter, any of this. Even little calves provided us with veal in the springtime. In fact we left one behind, a new little calf, and the horse had a little colt. It was so adorable! Somehow they enriched our lives, seeing them suck their mother's udders. It is just as touching as a human child.

We lived off of the land. We had two vineyards. We had nuts growing. We had a fruit orchard so various kinds of fruits were growing in our yard and in front of the grape fields, the vineyards. In fact we had so much milk that we shared it with those who did not have land and who were not able to provide their families with milk. Particularly after the little calf was born. One cow would give us as much as 13-14 liters of milk. There was plenty to go around for relatives and close friends who didn't have a farm.

We also had a threshing machine, the only one in the town. In the summer and the fall it would go from farm to farm. It also created cash for the family. Three people owned this, my father and two other partners. These two partners were non-Jews, they were very good friends of my dad. One of these gentlemen pulled out when the Jews were beginning to be threatened. He did not want to risk his own status quo. The other one, however, remained being a partner. They paid off the other gentleman. So it was 50:50 between dad and Károly Bácsi. He became a judge of the town later. In fact I learned later, that not only did he stay with dad at a time when it was dangerous for him, but he even saved my father's share. When he came back – he made it – this gave my father some cash to get started.

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